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27/09/2011

A Pay What You Can Experiment + All The Messiness In Between

 

A guest post by Julie Green from Up Up Creative

 

To admit or not to admit that I bawled my eyes out as I wrote this?

 

To admit it is to admit that I'm not, perhaps, as brave as I may seem.

 

But on the other hand: to admit is is to admit that, yes, I wear my heart on my sleeve, even on the sleeve of my business outfit (which at this particular moment happens to be be-monkeyed PJ bottoms and a pink t-shirt).

 

I had my heart broken a bit this month. Or possibly more than a bit. But I also had it expanded.

 

Let me explain.

 

 

Back in August I was struck with what can only be called a completely crazy idea: what if I let my customers name their own prices on their wedding orders? For the entire month of September. I'm a graphic designer and stationer and I've been doing wedding stationery now for just over a year. I started doing it because people asked me to and I kept doing it because I really liked the clients. And then crazy things happened like one of my designs was featured in BRIDES magazine and the next thing I knew, weddings were kind of my main thing.

 

But for reasons many and varied, I wasn't feeling totally right about the way things were going with my business. As an artist who likes to put herself and her ideas at the forefront of her work, I felt a little bit masked. Hidden. Buried. I felt like I wasn't connecting with my customers as much as I used to. I felt like I needed to shake things up.

 

And thus the idea to have a month-long experiment in having customers name their own prices (there's a video about it that explains it better -- you can find it on my website) on anything wedding in September. I asked kindly that people please be fair, but I removed all of my retail prices and did my best to commit to the experiment whole-heartedly.

 

I liked the idea because it was daring and bold but mostly I liked it because I knew it could generate discussion (if I did it right) about value. The value of handmade. The value of working one-on-one with someone. The value of good design and awesome materials. Makers and artists spend an awful lot of time thinking and talking about value and I wanted to move the discussion further.

 

At first, while the response on blogs and in emails to me was tremendous, I was feeling a lot of reluctance from people. They didn't know what fair prices even were and were afraid to name an unfair price.

 

So I encouraged people to pay what they could afford. To pay what was in their wedding budget for invitations, even if it was a DIY budget. Because after all, as most people find out, even DIY invitations take a fairly significant investment of time, energy, patience, and yes, money.

 

Around day 8 of the experiment, orders started coming in. Most were low prices but totally doable. I was just so happy that people were participating. People were talking to me. We were connecting. Conversations were going on around the Internet.

 

And then I hit day 12. My first really awful day.

 

It was the day I cried. A lot.

 

It was the day I had a customer pay me $100 for what would retail in my shop for more than $1700.

 

It was the day I had my heart broken.

 

And no, my heart wasn't really broken by the money, although that's part of it. It was broken by the customer's response to me. By her refusal to have a conversation with me. By her refusal to consider this a person-to-person interaction rather than a pay-and-get transaction.

 

When I saw her order the only thing I could think was that you couldn't buy a stack of loose-leaf notebook paper and a bic pen and handwrite the stuff she was asking me to create for her at the price she was asking me to do it for. And it's true.

 

For $100 she wanted: invitations with envelopes, reply cards with envelopes, save the date cards with envelopes, custom-illustrated map cards, folded thank you notes with envelopes, strung gift tags for each guest, a custom flower illustration, and 25 table numbers. For her 200-guest wedding.

 

For $100.

 

 

So I thought that perhaps she just didn't know what she was asking. That maybe she really hadn't a clue. And because I emphasized conversation and dialogue every step of the way, I emailed her. I said,

 

I got your order and am working on your daisy illustration right now. I did just want to touch base with you to say that I'm excited to work with you and your fiance but I do have a few questions about your order. I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but you've ordered more than $1700 worth of paper goods. Even DIY these items, with the least expensive papers and inks, would be in the $600-$800 range. I'm happy to work on all of this for you, but it will be at a pretty major loss, meaning a big chunk of money out of my pocket.

 

My first question is whether your 100 number is for 100 guests or for 100 invitations (more like 200 guests). Sometimes in the early planning stages people get that part confused, and I just want to be sure I'm planning correctly time and resource wise. I'm guessing from the gift tag order that you're talking about 200 guests, but I just want to be sure.

 

I'm also wondering if you and your fiance might be willing to meet me somewhere in the middle on the loss. If you were to DIY this you'd be paying a lot more and with such a big wedding I think the $100 for everything is just a bit impossible.


I really hate writing this email because I am really committed to this experiment, but since a part of the experiment is about getting a discussion going and since I'm actually worried that I may have to stop the experiment in order to avoid further losses like this one, I thought it couldn't hurt to write.

 

And she wrote back:


You were correct with the number, it is 100 invites for 200 guests.


And as far as trying to meet you in the middle, there is no way I am able to afford anywhere near $600-$800. The reason I put down $100 is because that is my budget at this time. If you are unhappy with that, I'm sorry, but maybe you should change what your website says because you advertised for customers to pay what they can afford.

 

And I cried.

 

 

Partly I cried because I was so disappointed in her response. How could she expect me to pay probably $700 out of my own pocket, not even considering my time, which for this job would be significant, when she could only pony up $100 of her own money.

 

And partly I cried because this is my family we're talking about here. I'm a mom with two kids and a husband and we can't even afford, well, anything right now. And how could I? How could I do this crazy thing and not put any limitations on it and then end up with this major loss that I absolutely could not afford and that would negatively affect my family? How dare I? What kind of mother am I? What do I think I am, playing with toy money or something?

 

And partly I cried because I was scared that doing her order would mean shutting down the experiment, which was supposed to last through the end of the month. Until day twelve I'd been having the most awesome time with it (not financially by ANY means, mind you). I'd had so many people write with questions. I'd had so many amazing conversations with people about money and value and art and design. I'd been making connections with people over this. And it had been awesome. And I cried because I was so mad that one person could singlehandedly ruin it for all the others. One person could so badly impact my business that I would have to end it and tell anyone who was hoping to order in the next 19 days that it wasn't happening anymore.

 

All day I went back and forth on what to do. Clearly this customer wasn't going to meet me halfway. So do I refund her money? Do I take the financial blow and stick to my word for this one person but end the experiment for all the rest? Do I risk that this might happen again and just keep on going? What's most important, here? My word? My word to this one person or to everyone else? Or maybe is the important thing generating the conversation? Or connecting with people? Or all of it together?

 

It's funny. I wouldn't have been able to do this experiment a year ago. I was still in that place where you equate your personal worth with the worth of your art. A year ago I would have bawled my eyes out for such totally different reasons. I would have questioned whether I should be in business, whether I should just throw in the towel and take my whole website offline. And today? Today I'm bawling my eyes out over what? Relationships. Connections. Conversations. And yes, my own gall.

 

I waited a day and approached the customer again. I apologized and gave her a few options of ways to make this possible (by decreasing her order to something more manageable, for example, or by having me create a complete digital suite for her to print, etc.) or I said I would gladly refund her full purchase price and we could part ways. In the end she took the refund and we did part ways.

 

 

I'm on day 22 now and I'm glad that everything happened the way it did back on day 12. I'm glad I did what I did and I'm glad I continued the experiment (at the advice of several colleagues, friends, and yes, even some of the name-your-price customers who I informally polled as we emailed about their own orders). I'm glad I had that experience and that I was forced to have those really awkward and difficult conversations with the customer.

 

I'm busy as hell right now working on staying on top of all the experiment work that's come in. And I'm still feeling terrible about having to refuse the customer's price. But somehow I feel like that one day and its aftermath have taught me more about my business than the previous three years combined. About professionalism. About connecting. About what happens when our idealism doesn't jibe with reality. About saying yes and saying no. About the value of what I do and how I do it.

 

Perhaps most of all it has taught me that I'd rather be the kind of business person and artist who admits that she's bawling while she writes her guest post than the kind who doesn't.

 

And in case you're wondering? I'm currently working on a plan to make this name-your-price experiment a more permanent part of my business model. With limitations, of course.

 

xo,

Julie Green

 

Julie Green is marvelous designer behind Up Up Creative + a self-proclaimed creative junkie - you know the kind - the person who skips out on her real work just for the chance to make something. To learn more about Julie, check out her personal blog or connect with her via twitter @upupcreative.

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22 comments

  • Comment Link Sara S. 27/09/2011 posted by Sara S.

    Good for YOU, Julie! I am so proud that you found your gall and stuck with it. Your experiment is a great one, but that doesn't mean you should ever be taken advantage of.

    Congrats on day 22 and on the remaining 8 days to go!
    Sara

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  • Comment Link Meagan 27/09/2011 posted by Meagan

    I totally agree! It takes guts to do what you did, but you did it in such a tactful way. Good luck with your project & I hope it becomes a great part of your business!!

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  • Comment Link Sasha 27/09/2011 posted by Sasha

    Congrats for sticking up for yourself Julie. It's really unfair for someone to expect so much for so little. I think you did the right thing!

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  • Comment Link Lisa.S 27/09/2011 posted by Lisa.S

    I had thought of doing this experiment too, but now I'm more wary of the kind of people that might take advantage of the situation. I think there should be limits, because we are in business; we are not a charity. Good luck for the remaining days!

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  • Comment Link lakshmi 27/09/2011 posted by lakshmi

    wow ! Julie, I commend you for how you handled the situation. I think you did the right thing by giving the customer different options to keep the experiment going.

    It is your time and energy away from your family that you put into your biz and that's worth a whole lot than anything else out there - especially this order.
    Just because you have an experiment running, doesn't give anyone the right to take you for a ride.

    Good luck to you and I wish you the very best in this endeavor.

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  • Comment Link Mayi Carles 27/09/2011 posted by Mayi Carles

    This story really touched my heart in more ways than I know how to count. Thank you so so much Julie, for opening your heart + spilling open with so much vulnerability + courage. Your message is one I will treasure for years to come. And the doors here will always be open for you, not as a guest, put as an integral part of this heart-made kingdom!

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  • Comment Link Priscilla 27/09/2011 posted by Priscilla

    Really touched by your story + the professional way you handled such an outrageous request. Thanks for sharing, it gives one much to think on.

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  • Comment Link julie green 27/09/2011 posted by julie green

    thanks, all, for the nice comments and the support!

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  • Comment Link Cassandra 27/09/2011 posted by Cassandra

    This was so well-written, and its nice to hear that I'm not the only one who bawls my eyes out now and then. I think you did the right thing in the end by refunding the $100. This is such a great experiment, but of course, there will always be a handful of people who don't understand the wedding stationery industry, and the amount of time, love, effort, and tears that go into your work.

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  • Comment Link Kristen 27/09/2011 posted by Kristen

    Wow, this is quite a story. My oldest friend does wedding paper and occasionally I help her out doing assembly. I am continually amazed by the amount of time and effort it takes to put such beautiful invites together, and the cost of the equally beautiful paper. I think you did the right thing in this case, because it's not like you didn't try to negotiate with her and give her options. She chose not to take them. Thank you for sharing.

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  • Comment Link Jessika 27/09/2011 posted by Jessika

    I have SO MUCH to say!!!!! About value and worth and boundaries and our beautiful handmade community. I'll take a deep breath and try not to make it essay length.

    First off, thank you Mayi for bringing this conversation here to Heartmade! Second, thank you Julie for your raw open hearted honesty and for generating this discussion on such a profound level.

    Good for you not only for trying this experiment but for setting boundaries for the person who chose not to honor it in the spirit it was created. The experiment was not a free for all where you donated your time, it was based on finding out what people truly feel is the value of your work. You made that very clear in your video & your posts on the project. With the honor system there is always some one who will take advantage, what matters is whether or not we allow them to!

    Go back on your word, go forward, as long as you are working honestly and with integrity. Your response to this situation is so authentic and beautiful. It is how people feel when they underprice/undervalue their own work or when they feel others do not recognize their worth and the worth of their offering. I am so happy you chose to engage her in discussion & set boundaries for yourself instead of taking such a brutal loss. It would have been more heartbreaking to me if you had!

    The topic of value is one that I feel very strongly about which is why Zoe of A Quick Study & I created www.worthsy.com (we are shifting our focus from auctions and will relaunch soon as a resource for info on pricing and place to generate discussion on value of handmade). I also chose a pay-what-you-want model (with a suggested price & set minimum) for my workbook and have loved it!

    Oops, I wrote an essay despite my best intentions. I'll cut myself off now by saying one last thing-Julie your experiment + response to the low offer is what I think of as true bravery. I am sending hugs to your broken heart-let me know if I can support your adventures in pricing & dialogue on value some how: )

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  • Comment Link Denise 27/09/2011 posted by Denise

    Awesome story, Julie! You did right by saying "no" when your limitations were met. They were definitely taking (a bad) advantage of the giving offer you have. Understandably, the economy isn't the greatest, but COME ON - $1700 worth of items for $100? You couldn't even get enough envelopes for 200 guests much less anything else for that price!

    I love your experiment about connecting and relationships. That is ultimately what business is about. Really, what life is about. Sometimes, you have to say no in order to move on. Good job on the experiment and keep it going! :D

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  • Comment Link April 27/09/2011 posted by April

    After reading this story, I had to comment and offer my support. I have also done a pay what you can experiment, but it was with a digital product so there was no way that I'd lose money. It's incredibly interesting to have conversations around value--but it can also be heartbreaking to have someone completely disregard your time and effort.

    It sounds like you handled this situation the best way that you could. I wish you all the best with the rest of the experiment!

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  • Comment Link Erin 27/09/2011 posted by Erin

    This was such an honest and touching post. Thanks, Julie! Of course you were heartbroken, I was nearly in tears myself just reading it. Such blatant and purposeful selfishness is unbelievable to me. Good on you for having the courage to get past this and keep on trucking!

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  • Comment Link Isa Maria 27/09/2011 posted by Isa Maria

    I've been an avid blog reader of Julie's for some time. Such a remarkable business woman, mother and designer. I was fascinated when I first read about her experiment and I hoped others would understand it and not take advantage. Reading this post brought tears to my eyes. I think lots of us struggle with not being able to do what others expect or want from us especially if it is an outrageous demand.
    I'm not sure what I would have done in the same situation but I do know I would have cried. A lot. Good luck with the rest of your experiment Julie and thank you for continuing this important conversation on worth and value.

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  • Comment Link Alicia 27/09/2011 posted by Alicia

    Handmade has value. I'm so glad you took a stand for it and yourself! xo

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  • Comment Link Stacey 27/09/2011 posted by Stacey

    I've been following Julie's experiment and was quite excited to read this update. I had my reservations about it when she announced it, but the lessons learned are ones that wouldn't have come about if she hadn't put herself - and her work - out there.

    Good luck with everything, Julie, and keep up the amazing work :)

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  • Comment Link Keryn 27/09/2011 posted by Keryn

    You poor beautiful person you. To begin a conversation about the value of your work, and to trust in your customers to believe in the value of your work is such an important thing in the world of creative work, and by honoring this woman (for lack of a better, yet still polite word) and her outright lack of respect for your art and what you do, you would severely undervalue yourself and your craft. She knows the importance of what you do, understands that beautiful things take time and effort, and she took advantage, devaluing your work in the process. I am very proud of you for valuing yourself and your craft (and thereby the craft of your colleagues and "competitors") more than she did. Unfortunately, the conversation you opened up found its way into the hands of someone who did not respect its importance - Good for you for respecting it, and yourself, for her.

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  • Comment Link Erin 28/09/2011 posted by Erin

    Julie, reading this was incredible. I can hear your heart and soul and even more I am moved by what you learned from it. You had to make a hard decision, but in the end you recognized how much value your work holds and in turn your customers will do the same.

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  • Comment Link Monnie 29/09/2011 posted by Monnie

    Julie I read every post on your blog and came along to see your guest post and was SO glad you refunded that woman in the end. She was expecting the rolls royce of weddings for nothing. I really admired your experiment and hope that when it comes time for me to arrange invitations that I can use your services to help me design something wonderful!

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  • Comment Link karla diaz cano 29/09/2011 posted by karla diaz cano

    Julie,

    WOW. I loved your post. I am a 99.9% visual person and rarely actually READ blog posts. I look at the photos. If I am drawn to them, maybe I read. I'm glad I read this.

    As a photographer who is starting to do it professionally, I also question this price-value relationship. How much should I charge? How much is my work worth (in terms of money)? Will clients be willing to pay for it? It's hard to decide, but at the end, we know that good design and good photography are worth it, and clients should value that. Such a disappointment to meet clients that do NOT value this... unfortunately, they are out there. It makes me happy to see that you refunded the money. Even if you do what you love, if it was going to be a loss for you then it wasn't worth it. that you continued your experiment (btw, it's a great idea). I admire your strength and persistence.

    xo

    Karla

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  • Comment Link Faith 29/09/2011 posted by Faith

    This post met me right where I am. I did a "pay what you can" for one week on my blog and was similarly elated by the number of people registering and devastated by how little people were paying - is that all these people think my time is worth? $10 - really? That's how valuable you think this class will be? Then I had people who had paid full-price emailing me asking for refunds - and my heart broke a little more.
    I'm glad I did it, there are lots of people who were more fair and who I'm thrilled will get a taste of my classes, but you sure can't be thin skinned if you're going to run your own business!!

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